Never did I say that Kyuu was a freezing move, I just said it was cheap like many other clan moves. I just told you about how to CHANGE HAKUS TO MAKE THEM MORE BALANCED. But apparently all you got out of reading my topic was that I'm making them more cheap somehow by only limiting them to water, your reading and reasoning ablilites astound me. I get where you're coming from about Hyuuga's Palms, and that should be kept the same I suppose, BUT... Even if you don't learn Kaiten, you learn the other move that completely negates the damage of nin and tai based moves (Other than Rasengan and Chidori from what I've heard). I don't know what you're talking about when you say that Haku gets stronger faster, what does that have to do with changing them? If you're going to relate pointless information towards my topic, do it somewhere else. And the information about Kimimaro? Yeah, he owned. And this relates to my topic about Hakus how? Plus, if your sharingan freeze doesn't hold for long, you're either a) Fighting a Nara, or b) Your stats are so low you don't deserve to use it. If you'd train more it would hold and be considered cheap. But as I have already stated, this topic is about Hakus and Hakus only. AND if you'd be smart enough to actually read what I said, I'm not "Defending Hakus" I'm suggesting that they be balanced, and my WHOLE topic is about making them less strong. Next time, take the time to read my topic before criticizing it. End of discussion, kthxbai.

~Aaiske Drew

LOL! I bet they use "Mana" to cast "Shadow clone joootsooo". NC is and will always be the best, unless by some ungodly chance Newbreedofnerd comes back to Byond and brings back his old naruto game. It was the first "Naruto Online". If anyone remembers it, you'll know what I mean, and if you've never played it... oh well... The reason I like this game so much, is because it's REALLY close to what Nerd's game was like, except he didn't really have as many missions. *sigh* Well, this game is the best now, even with all the lag it's still really fun to play and with all the things you can do, it never really gets boring (at least in my opinion). This is about Hakus though, not about other games and stuff! Any comments on it all?

~Aaiske Drew

Haku didn't use the mist to create mirrors you moron, he layed down water from his needles to create them. If the game is so boring, don't play it. Oh, and how is it possible to "Dickride" a game? But what would I know about riding pole, you're the expert. This still doesn't relate to my topic, except for your last comment about breaking mirrors. If you're going to wine and complain, do it somewhere else, because quite frankly... I'd rather do something less painfull, like shove my testicles into an oven. Heck, I just might be lucky enough to die from it and save myself from ever reading any more pointless posts such as these. If you have anger problems, take them somewhere else because I honestly don't want to hear about it. Got a problem with me trying to suggest something that would balance the Clan out? Deal with it, all I'm trying to do is get some feedback on an idea that'd make the game more realistic. I'd say I'm sorry for what I said but I'm not. Just trying to help out the game, and I don't need to put up with morons like you.

~Aaiske Drew

Maak, we all know you are butthurt for being banned, and from what i'm hearing, your complaining about nothing. Unless you are jealous that Damian was better than you, and now you can never be better than him all becaus your an a**hole to people, and crtizise there races, I won't even read your next post(If you make on) becaus it will probably be as stupid as the last ones, your already banned from game, so you want to be bant from forums too?

In case you havn't noticed, I already told you that I wouldn't like to hear from you. Haku in the show, even explained that when he used the needles, that he layed out the water to trap Sasuke in, and it was his plan from the beginning. He didn't use the mist to create them. "And maybe you haven't realized it but I don't play the game" Well, I'm not the smartest person in the world, but I'm not sure it's possible to play a game that you're banned from. Plus you were over level 200 the last time I saw you on. "I hope you have fun burning yourself, emo"  Maka, you don't even know what Emo is or stands for. It means emotional. Everybody is emotional. If you're suggesting that I'm an "Emo" kid that in this case burns myself (Wow, that's a new one... at least you're not suggesting I slash my wrists because I'm such a failure in life like all the other idiots that label people think) then ok, I'll admit that I get emotional, but I have a disorder that causes it. If NC was and never will be the best, explain to my why it's been ranked #1 for a LONG time now. I suppose you'll say something like "Oh! Because only noobs play and rank this game, but it still sucks because I hate it, and whatever I hate has to be hated by everyone else because the world revolves around me."  I don't care if you call me a noob, big deal. Oh no! Words! I'm going to die because someone hurt my feewings... *burns self in a corner because he's emo* oh joyous day, the end of life is so beautiful. I never "joined" any clan. Aaiske is in my name, and I didn't take it to look "Cool" as you say. I took it because Damian is a friend and he gave me the o.k. to use it, and later on turned it into a real Clan. Why are you so pissy anyways? If you hate the game so much, why are you here on the forums? If you hate me so much, why are you arguing with me and making it worse? This STILL relates to NOTHING in my topic. If you're going to bash me like I know you will, make another topic about how much you hate me and NC, and leave this forum for the people who actually care. It's funny how you get so mad over a 2D game, and the people who play it. Please, just stop this pointless arguing. It's going nowhere fast.

~Aaiske Drew

uchihas arent cheap, they need mad gen and with the tsukyomi they have to be the one with better tai, they dont always win with that. hyuugas arent cheap because kaiten wont kill anyone if they know how to play and for the palms you have to face them and they have to be still for a second. with hakus, you put them in mirrors and they will die easily

"Maka, if you find and paste the definition to the word "Gothic" and it is ANYTHING close to what you're implying about the "Gothic" people wearing dark clothing with chains and eyeliner, that listen to bands like Marilyn Manson and Nine Inch Nails, I will leave you alone and never speak poorly of you again."


wow, give me a place that DOESN'T define what I say...And I don't know any cracked out rock bands either.

Ok here's a simple version of stuff so far..

Kuroda

Other clans can do "godly" stuff like freezing people whilst it's in use for example.
Suggests balancing thing

Mak

You think every clan has a advantage
Then states that because no ones moved whilst palms was used on them no one should. (Let's discount this because it's completely retarded kk? Anyone with half a brain can see why it is given the context of this.)
Kimimarou was also strong but he was a one off essentially, and was using cursed seal

Kuroda

Your points were irrelevant.
I wasn't trying to make them stronger, but weaker.
The sharingan freeze can be used properly, if you're strong enough.

Mak

Kyuus 3 second hold isn't cheap (Except it is if you keep using it over and over whichyou would if you're smart but meh, you're obviously not smart enough to see that)
The mirror breaking thing idea is the best balancing one (Even though it goes DIRECTLY against the anime and thus people should also be able to move when they're having palms used on them for obvious reasons) is best.

I excluded all the non game related stuff i nterms of Haku clan so yeh..

Here's the problems with what you've said.

1.Every clan DOES have an advantage, it's teh WHOLE POINT of clans. The term "****tard" jumps to mind..

2. No one moves when palms are being used on them. That's true. You know why? Because they're also people who go "zomg he's spending about 2 seconds saying the name of his move.. LET'S LOOK AT HIM!!" The people i nteh anime are retarded, quite obviously. And you don't see anyone using when goukakyou is used on them. But I'll guess at whether or not you can move when that's being used on you..

3. Yeh? So what if Kimimarou was strong? Sasuke was strong to use sharingan. Want to up the req for that too? Or do you think that maybe that might tone down Uchihas too much?

4. One 3 second hold isn't cheap. Link them and it's godly. It's called "using jutsus well".

5. Mirror breaking goes DIRECTLY against what happened in the anime untill Kyuubi got involved. But hey, on that theory you should be able to move when palms are being used on you. And when Mangekyou is being used on you. Oh and when a mirror is smashed IMO because there was more then one floor of them the rest would drop down. And he's bound to be able to just redo the jutsu again. That and unless you can see stuff at the speed of light you won't be able to counter it at all. But yeh, ofc it's too overpwoered now isn't it? You want to try and diverse from the anime, you'll have to get somethign else from the anime into it so it has something in common other then the fact it's mirrors.

On an unrelated note, emo DOES just mean emotional, guess what emotional means. It means HAS EMOTIONS. As for the whole "Hates life and takes it out on himself" That's a stereotype, like all people who play games are twiggy, lanky, depressed pale kids who are just nerdy little hackers who make a load of geek jokes. I'm going to guess that that's not true either seeing how I'm none of the above and I'm someone who plays games. But hey, you quite obviously can't open your mind to the fact that stereotypes aren't true. Not far enough to realise how retarded you're acting, anyhow.

Oh and as for what Haku made his mirorrs out of? I wonder who knows better. Random person watching the anime. Or people who WROTE the anime. Yeh.. The term "****tard" springs to mind again..

And in case you've forgotten what happened earlier in my post, your whole argument got served. AKA you have nothing. Start from scratch.

You know it's BS how? You didn't read it, so you couldn't know what it contained.

Hyuugas being weak has what to do with my point? Nothing. My point is not moving when palms is being used on you is based on the anime, therefore mirrorsa should be unbreakable almost as they are  inthe anime. Making them breakable as a blancing feature will eitehr do virtually nothing or be highly inaccurate. Hyuugas being weak is irrelevant. It was an example of following the anime.

I never said you wanted it put up, I said on your logic it shoudl be. There's a difference. Your logic = Haku ice mirrors as they stand are very strong therefore need a massive amount of training. Also, stuff should be reasonably accurate to the anime. Based on that theory, Sharingan 3 should be godly and therefore need a lot of training to attain. No one I know of thinks that sharingan 3 is that hard. Your logic for the ice mirrors dictates both the req and abilities of sharingan should be raised somewhat.

And Kyuubis chakra itself is far more potent then you're thinking quite obvuiously, as it was CS2 Sasuke with 3 tomoe that beat Naruto when he was 1 tail (I think? Maybe 2?). The chakra itself is jsut as powerful, just Naruto uses more and more of it as the tails go up. But given that it was the chakra itself that destroyed the ice mirrors.. (Just for the record I know it doesn't really but Naruto tried puncyhing one mirror but pretty much bounced off and landed flat on his ass)

They were stuck because of the endurance of the mirrors. The mirrors themselves were the barrier. Let's assume though, they are breakable. It was a multistorey "cage", hence the higher ones could just drop down to keep the person trapped. You'd need tobreak the "same" one several times jsut to take out that coloumn, then they could be moved along anyway.

I never said Hyuugas needed to be changed, I was using that a an example of a jutsu following the anime closely to back up that the mirrors should be nearly unbreakable (ie a large gap in the strength of the two ninjas involved to break them) because that's the impression it gave off in the anime.

Sasukle wouldn't have been able to use mangekyou untill he could use 3 tomoe at least because of the cahkra useage involved. I'm about 99% sure that the chakra useage for activating and using it is higher for mangekyou then 3 tomoe..

Sharingan freeze was never used on someone of a similiar level in the anime, so you can't really guage how strong it should be.

Not having anything other then CS2 to compare 1 tail Naruto to, you can't really say much about it but CS2 can push someone from a genin/chuunin kind of border (ier sound four) to a chuunin/jounin border if not definate jounin level (as proved against the 2 jounin who caught up to the sound four - they were killed without inflicting any real injuries in a 4C2 fight). It could be compared however using CS2 as the limits of Sasuke, but 1 tail wasn't Narutos absolute limit. (How did we get onto this again? o-o lol)

dangerous no matter how many tails are out, just more tails means more chakra. But if you "contained" a set amount of chakra from even 4 tails form for example as when Naruto used the chakra against Haku, the chakra itself would be just as powerful/potent/whatever you want to call it.

And if you want to argue handicaps, fine. Sasuke was at CS2, his limit. Naruto was at 1 tail. He can get up to 4 tail at least - hence he was fighting significantly below his limit. In theory he can get up to 8 at least.. Although 9 isdebatable.. But without saying any spoilers the flaw of it is obvioius (No I don't just mean the one from the anime - the anime hasn't touched on the other far more serious one).

Maka, Sharingan freeze doesn't require a ton of chakra, just a lot of training and patience. When I first got sharingan freeze at level 40, mine could freeze people for about 4-5 seconds since I had more gen than others at my level. If you freeze them for half a second, you shouldn't be freezing them in the first place because their stats are higher than yours. Hyuuga's Palms are fine the way they are, you're right. Mangekyou would've overpowered Sasuke if he had gotten it earlier. It's so powerfull that even Itachi is going blind from it. Sharingan freeze (if it's like the anime) should only be for Mangekyou, and it should only last for a few seconds. The only example that I can think of Randy, is when Itachi is about to use the Mange, and it forces his opponents to freeze as he stares into their eyes (Used on Sasuke twice, once in the frog stomach, the other in his past). There should be a Genjutsu freeze move that allows people to attack though, like how Tayuya uses her flute and Shikamaru is defenceless. Naruto could've beaten Sasuke if he had 4 tails... but in the manga, Naruto went berserk because he couldn't control the power. Let's END ALL DISCUSSION! The game is fine how it is, mirrors should be used around water only since you need water/mist (to avoid further arguments about Haku's jutsu), Kyuubi naruto would own CS2 Sasuke if he had more tails, mirrors should be breakable only if the user has X amount of tai or ninjutsu, otherwise new players could easily break out if they had Suiton or Goukakyuu / any of the low level jutsus. Buu from DBZ started in Kid form (which is odd). Thank you Maka for not starting more on the "Goths" or "Emos". Thank you Randy for your contributions / ideas about all that's been happening. And with this last post, I'm officially done with everything here. My topic has gone to hell and come back for seconds it seems and is going nowhere fast about my Haku idea, so I'm not even going to bother anymore. Thanks for reading this if you actually made it through (To whoever is reading). Later <3

~Aaiske Drew

I didn't say chakra..or did I? If I did it's because I got lost, I meant to say it requires a ton of Genjutsu. And I only read the 1st line.

i don't think anyone read this entire thing cause it is like a book.. and they should just leave the idea at the mirrors having a certain stam based on the chakra and nin of the haku.

heres an idea

1.) Forget all that.

2.) make it where u click on a mirror to jump to it and u have to wait like 2 seconds to jump from 1 to another again and make it throw like 2-3 needles at the opponent everytime u jump... (numbers can be changed)